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Old 04-10-2011 | 10:06 PM
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Just took my rear sway bar off, the rear suspension works better and never made me feel like it isn't safe drive. I do plan on keeping the front on and get discos. Gread mod, do it.
Old 04-10-2011 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JCKustoms

You are correct.
Great thanks for the advice
Old 04-10-2011 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by XJ-92
Actually no I'm not if u no anything of what sway bars do. When the car truck or suv starts to tip the sway bars don't allow the axle to to stay horizontal with the road causing your tires to lift of the road causing a possible roll over. With no sway bars at all it allows the body to roll during a turn while keeping the the axles horizontal with the road keeping your tires on the road not allowing to roll over. I have 6.5 in lift no sway bars and would much rather have them off during a fast turn then with them on my jeep
Well, if you knew anything about how a sway bar works you would know that when you throw a car/truck (without a sway bar) into a corner the body rolls transfering weight to the outside tires which pulls weight off of the inside tires causing loss of traction on two tires. On the other hand a vehicle with the correct size (roll stiffness) sway bars does the exact oposit. Under hard cornering when the outside tire is pushed up into the wheel well the sway bar will keep body roll to a minimum. Minimizing body roll helps keep COG lower and the vehicles wieght (left to right, front to rear) more balanced and all of the tires planted more firmly on the road which increases cornering traction on the road.


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Old 04-10-2011 | 11:29 PM
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I'd recommend keeping the front swaybar. I've been driving my 98 XJ with 4" lift and 34's with no swaybars for a few weeks, and although I'm used to it around town, highway speeds can get alittle sketchy.

I plan for disconnects soon so I can put it back on, as I only removed it due to the worn out bushings and bent links (along with testing flex).
Old 04-12-2011 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by XJ-92
Actually no I'm not if u no anything of what sway bars do. When the car truck or suv starts to tip the sway bars don't allow the axle to to stay horizontal with the road causing your tires to lift of the road causing a possible roll over. With no sway bars at all it allows the body to roll during a turn while keeping the the axles horizontal with the road keeping your tires on the road not allowing to roll over. I have 6.5 in lift no sway bars and would much rather have them off during a fast turn then with them on my jeep
You really have no idea what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by AMXJ
Well, if you knew anything about how a sway bar works you would know that when you throw a car/truck (without a sway bar) into a corner the body rolls transfering weight to the outside tires which pulls weight off of the inside tires causing loss of traction on two tires. On the other hand a vehicle with the correct size (roll stiffness) sway bars does the exact oposit. Under hard cornering when the outside tire is pushed up into the wheel well the sway bar will keep body roll to a minimum. Minimizing body roll helps keep COG lower and the vehicles wieght (left to right, front to rear) more balanced and all of the tires planted more firmly on the road which increases cornering traction on the road.

You know exactly what you're talking about.

Take it from someone with an engineering degree, sway bars are safer on the road.
Old 04-12-2011 | 09:33 PM
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Yea its a little sketchy at high way speeds with out the front, but if you can handle it go for it. i daily drive my xj with 8.5 lift and no sway bars.
Old 04-12-2011 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Northwoods Snowman
You really have no idea what you're talking about.



You know exactly what you're talking about.

Take it from someone with an engineering degree, sway bars are safer on the road.
Not to get into a nerdy discussion... but I would think that the COG would not change while cornering (unless your jeep spontaneously lifts itself), but that the COM would fall to the outside of the tires due to the excess body roll.
Old 04-12-2011 | 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Northwoods Snowman
Take it from someone with an engineering degree, sway bars are safer on the road.
Honestly, someone shouldn't need a engineering degree to catch that concept. Guess not though.
Old 04-13-2011 | 12:08 PM
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I've scrapped every sway-bar from all my xjs. Have driven them everywhere from Mexico to Minn to east coast & back many times. Back country wheeln to interstate speeds.pulling loaded cargo trailer & loaded roofrack to hauling only *****. Its not a sports car, if you don't drive it like one you won't have a problem.
Old 04-13-2011 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by AMXJ

Well, if you knew anything about how a sway bar works you would know that when you throw a car/truck (without a sway bar) into a corner the body rolls transfering weight to the outside tires which pulls weight off of the inside tires causing loss of traction on two tires. On the other hand a vehicle with the correct size (roll stiffness) sway bars does the exact oposit. Under hard cornering when the outside tire is pushed up into the wheel well the sway bar will keep body roll to a minimum. Minimizing body roll helps keep COG lower and the vehicles wieght (left to right, front to rear) more balanced and all of the tires planted more firmly on the road which increases cornering traction on the road.

You just hit the nail on the head
Before I got a Jeep I was a tuner had a 02 Mitsubishi lancer and the first thing u do to a car that is going to do any kind of track racing"street" or taking the twisties the first thing u do is up the sway bar size and ad a back bar cuz if u don't then u are going to get left behind cuz u can't corner an have to slow down in other words TO MUCH BODY ROLL means slow in the corner
Just get discos

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Old 04-13-2011 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by OOdynamite
Not to get into a nerdy discussion... but I would think that the COG would not change while cornering (unless your jeep spontaneously lifts itself), but that the COM would fall to the outside of the tires due to the excess body roll.
The CG is not a vertical attribute, it's a 3D attribute. It where the vehicle will balance in a given situation. You're on the right track, the CG moves out toward the side of the vehicle due to lateral acceleration and the body rolls moving the center of mass out (moving the cg further out) and thus you loose stability. Kind of like putting a heavy load on the end of the forks of a fork truck. Get close to the weight limit and slam it in reverse and you can tip it forward and get the rear wheels off the ground. Same concept, you swerve in a panic situation (kid runs out in front of you or another car does) and the body wants to keep going forward while the wheels go to the side. In an extreme enough situation, the result is a roll over. The further the body rolls, the less weight is transferred to the inside wheels. Sway bars are designed to keep the body from rolling and keep more weight on the inside wheels.

People might be able to drive OK with out the sway bars, but when pushed to the limit on the road, they won't have as much control as they would if they had the sway bars. I would draw a parallel with only having front brakes. Sure, you can drive and stop fine with out the rear brakes under normal circumstances, but try stopping in a hurry to keep from running a kid over and you'll wish you had the rear brakes working.
Old 04-13-2011 | 05:34 PM
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When such cheap and easy disconnect methods are available, there is no reason to run without.
Old 04-13-2011 | 06:06 PM
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um its not bad to have no sway bars i dont if u drive normal ul be fine
Old 04-13-2011 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by the jeep man 94
um its not bad to have no sway bars i dont if u drive normal ul be fine
Like he said, its only in the non normal circumstances that things will change. I agree with the guy above, quick disconnects make running one hundred percent without silly.
Old 04-13-2011 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by the jeep man 94
um its not bad to have no sway bars i dont if u drive normal ul be fine
Normal is conditional. When that guy texting comes into your lane and you swerve and loose control because you took your sway bars off, i hope there isn't a child or people in your path.


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