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05-27-2014, 10:18 AM
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Total Waste ?
You tried these already or just did sye and adj upper/lower arms ?
With a 4x2 rwd, who really gives a rats *** about articulation & super flex and shock travel ?
Ticket is to keep the rear leafs from collapsing in on the 8.25 (Full Leafs ONLY ??) and to get the ride decent w/o serious rub & bad vibes (would a 3-4" full leaf be too harsh like Heavy Duty) can AAL handle 33's ?
Most folks get the drop bracket for the transfer case, lose the sway bar until they buy a $130 adj, then later on pony up for a sye, driveshaft, u-bolt kit later in the lift build, for TJ.
But on my '01 XJ it is RWD, most likely 8.25 rear axle ??
RC3" lift kit with AAL = $220 (Leafs may snap or sag with 2" shackles vs blocks that make wheel hop issues)
Zone 3" Full leaf = $300 (2" spacers & 2" shackles) = 5" + 5" fit 33's with BW flares.
i'm pulling the stock fender flares, already have rear off.
Ordering 33's from TireRack this week with steelies.
With a 4x2 rwd, who really gives a rats *** about articulation & super flex and shock travel ?
Ticket is to keep the rear leafs from collapsing in on the 8.25 (Full Leafs ONLY ??) and to get the ride decent w/o serious rub & bad vibes (would a 3-4" full leaf be too harsh like Heavy Duty) can AAL handle 33's ?
Most folks get the drop bracket for the transfer case, lose the sway bar until they buy a $130 adj, then later on pony up for a sye, driveshaft, u-bolt kit later in the lift build, for TJ.
But on my '01 XJ it is RWD, most likely 8.25 rear axle ??
RC3" lift kit with AAL = $220 (Leafs may snap or sag with 2" shackles vs blocks that make wheel hop issues)
Zone 3" Full leaf = $300 (2" spacers & 2" shackles) = 5" + 5" fit 33's with BW flares.
i'm pulling the stock fender flares, already have rear off.
Ordering 33's from TireRack this week with steelies.
Last edited by euro944t; 05-29-2014 at 12:42 AM. Reason: XJ is RWD , have TJ with driveshaft angry sparrow noise
05-27-2014, 10:41 AM
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Hey Jeep Owners I'm looking to BUY ONLINE let's say $1000 on rubber, $250 steelies, and who knows who much $$$ on +5.5" lift
Curious if i landed in a vendor friendly vs buyer friendly forum.
I have been asking for discounts and bargains & group buys.
I got some dead links to vendor home pages
Other forum claims 10% off for members. Anyone know about discounts for members ?
Anyone alive out there ?
You would think vendors would be all over a newbie trolling this forum & in mostly the $2000 lift section.
Perhaps the sponsors on this forum have enough repeat customers, don't need new biz ?
Maybe everyone is still at the Lake on Memorial Weekend ?
Curious if i landed in a vendor friendly vs buyer friendly forum.
I have been asking for discounts and bargains & group buys.
I got some dead links to vendor home pages
Other forum claims 10% off for members. Anyone know about discounts for members ?
Anyone alive out there ?
You would think vendors would be all over a newbie trolling this forum & in mostly the $2000 lift section.
Perhaps the sponsors on this forum have enough repeat customers, don't need new biz ?
Maybe everyone is still at the Lake on Memorial Weekend ?
05-27-2014, 10:55 AM
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Hey Jeep Owners I'm looking to BUY ONLINE let's say $1000 on rubber, $250 steelies, and who knows who much $$$ on +5.5" lift
Curious if i landed in a vendor friendly vs buyer friendly forum.
I have been asking for discounts and bargains & group buys.
I got some dead links to vendor home pages
Other forum claims 10% off for members. Anyone know about discounts for members ?
Anyone alive out there ?
You would think vendors would be all over a newbie trolling this forum & in mostly the $2000 lift section.
Perhaps the sponsors on this forum have enough repeat customers, don't need new biz ?
Maybe everyone is still at the Lake on Memorial Weekend ?
Curious if i landed in a vendor friendly vs buyer friendly forum.
I have been asking for discounts and bargains & group buys.
I got some dead links to vendor home pages
Other forum claims 10% off for members. Anyone know about discounts for members ?
Anyone alive out there ?
You would think vendors would be all over a newbie trolling this forum & in mostly the $2000 lift section.
Perhaps the sponsors on this forum have enough repeat customers, don't need new biz ?
Maybe everyone is still at the Lake on Memorial Weekend ?
05-27-2014, 11:34 PM
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Wait so you're doin all this to a 2wd cherokee? Am I the only one that caught this? There is no transfer case or Slip yoke on a 2wd because there is only one driveshaft. I mean I understand to each his own I lifted my 2wd xj 3" but 6 is a little much for 33's and driveline vibes of you get em (at 6" it's almost guaranteed) are super difficult to fix. You can fit 33" with bushwhackers on 3-3.5"
05-28-2014, 12:00 AM
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Wait so you're doin all this to a 2wd cherokee? Am I the only one that caught this? There is no transfer case or Slip yoke on a 2wd because there is only one driveshaft. I mean I understand to each his own I lifted my 2wd xj 3" but 6 is a little much for 33's and driveline vibes of you get em (at 6" it's almost guaranteed) are super difficult to fix. You can fit 33" with bushwhackers on 3-3.5"
The guy wants answers, not ridicule. He can do whatever he wants to his jeep, don't like it? You don't have to say anything, and if you do, do it respectfully.
05-28-2014, 12:24 AM
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You tried these already or just did sye and adj upper/lower arms ?
With a 4x2 rwd, who really gives a rats *** about articulation & super flex and shock travel ?
Ticket is to keep the rear leafs from collapsing in on the 8.25 (Full Leafs ONLY ??) and to get the ride decent w/o serious rub & bad vibes (would a 3-4" full leaf be too harsh like Heavy Duty) can AAL handle 33's ?
Most folks get the drop bracket for the transfer case, lose the sway bar until they buy a $130 adj, then later on pony up for a sye, driveshaft, u-bolt kit later in the lift build,
who installs sye first on a budget boost other than a mechanic on long vacation ? Guys that do they sye from start prob had bad vibes before the lift and need a u-bolt and new shaft while they in there.
RC3" lift kit with AAL = $220 (Leafs may snap or sag with 2" shackles vs blocks that make wheel hop issues)
Zone 3" Full leaf = $300 (2" spacers & 2" shackles) = 5" + 5" fit 33's with BW flares.
i'm pulling the stock fender flares, already have rear off.
Ordering 33's from TireRack this week with steelies.
With a 4x2 rwd, who really gives a rats *** about articulation & super flex and shock travel ?
Ticket is to keep the rear leafs from collapsing in on the 8.25 (Full Leafs ONLY ??) and to get the ride decent w/o serious rub & bad vibes (would a 3-4" full leaf be too harsh like Heavy Duty) can AAL handle 33's ?
Most folks get the drop bracket for the transfer case, lose the sway bar until they buy a $130 adj, then later on pony up for a sye, driveshaft, u-bolt kit later in the lift build,
who installs sye first on a budget boost other than a mechanic on long vacation ? Guys that do they sye from start prob had bad vibes before the lift and need a u-bolt and new shaft while they in there.
RC3" lift kit with AAL = $220 (Leafs may snap or sag with 2" shackles vs blocks that make wheel hop issues)
Zone 3" Full leaf = $300 (2" spacers & 2" shackles) = 5" + 5" fit 33's with BW flares.
i'm pulling the stock fender flares, already have rear off.
Ordering 33's from TireRack this week with steelies.
Articulation? Who cares?
You do. Thats ride quality you're talking about, and on the highway going 65, you dont want to feel potholes when you're at 6"
Leaf springs?
Get full leafs, AAL are a poor way to lift a vehicle as they sag over time. Rubbing has to do with wheel and tire combos and how well you articulate.
U bolt and shaft?
You don't needed an sye on a budget boost. If you do, it's not really a budget boost, or you have other problems.
I believe it's a u JOINT you mean.
I think that's it. Anything else?
05-28-2014, 12:37 AM
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There is a slip yoke actually. At 6" you have no idea if he's going to get vibes because his driveshaft is significantly longer than a 4x4 rear driveshaft, which means the angles will be lower at the same height respectively. "Super difficult to fix" ??? Driveline vibes are a 2 on the difficulty scale. Doing a lift is a 4 depending on where you live. The guy wants answers, not ridicule. He can do whatever he wants to his jeep, don't like it? You don't have to say anything, and if you do, do it respectfully.
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Just for fun I did some math taking into account the different length drive shafts for 2wd vs 4wd. The differences are insignificant. Given a baseline of 0 deg for no lift. I know it's not 0 deg but it doesn't matter as long as you use the same for all because we're looking for the difference between each lift.
2wd @ 6" lift = 4.76 deg
4wd @ 6" lift = 5.71 deg
4wd @ 4" lift = 3.80 deg
So from this I don't think you can safely say an SYE/CV isn't required for 2wd because we normally say it might be required for a 4wd @ 4" and the 2wd @ 6" is more angle.
Anyway, just for fun.
2wd @ 6" lift = 4.76 deg
4wd @ 6" lift = 5.71 deg
4wd @ 4" lift = 3.80 deg
So from this I don't think you can safely say an SYE/CV isn't required for 2wd because we normally say it might be required for a 4wd @ 4" and the 2wd @ 6" is more angle.
Anyway, just for fun.
05-28-2014, 11:14 AM
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Just for fun I did some math taking into account the different length drive shafts for 2wd vs 4wd. The differences are insignificant. Given a baseline of 0 deg for no lift. I know it's not 0 deg but it doesn't matter as long as you use the same for all because we're looking for the difference between each lift.
2wd @ 6" lift = 4.76 deg
4wd @ 6" lift = 5.71 deg
4wd @ 4" lift = 3.80 deg
So from this I don't think you can safely say an SYE/CV isn't required for 2wd because we normally say it might be required for a 4wd @ 4" and the 2wd @ 6" is more angle.
Anyway, just for fun.
2wd @ 6" lift = 4.76 deg
4wd @ 6" lift = 5.71 deg
4wd @ 4" lift = 3.80 deg
So from this I don't think you can safely say an SYE/CV isn't required for 2wd because we normally say it might be required for a 4wd @ 4" and the 2wd @ 6" is more angle.
Anyway, just for fun.
Show us your calculations.
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05-28-2014, 11:36 AM
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I was looking for what numbers you used, and what your thinking was when you chose them. I don't mean to come off cross, I'm thoroughly interested in this and just want to stress the finer parts. There's a lot that goes into driveline vibes, theres pinion angle (axle wrap as well), output angle, how far the slip yoke has moved from rest, how good the u joints are, etc.
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I used 36" for 4wd which is a little long but I was only interested in getting a general idea if there was a big difference. Then I added 12" for 2wd since I have no idea what the actual length is but seemed about right.
I can't show the calculations because I'm old and did it on a posted note with a scientific calculator, and it would take a long time for me to type it out. I've seen my son do all his math online so I assume it can be done easily.
My real point, if just for myself, was to show a 2wd @ 6" was greater angle than a 4wd @ 4" since that's about where it might be an issue, all other things being the same. If you use the exact length I'd guess it wouldn't be much different since the run or much greater than the rise in any case.
I can't show the calculations because I'm old and did it on a posted note with a scientific calculator, and it would take a long time for me to type it out. I've seen my son do all his math online so I assume it can be done easily.
My real point, if just for myself, was to show a 2wd @ 6" was greater angle than a 4wd @ 4" since that's about where it might be an issue, all other things being the same. If you use the exact length I'd guess it wouldn't be much different since the run or much greater than the rise in any case.
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05-28-2014, 05:52 PM
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Right thread or not but anyways,
I have some kind of AAL 3" kit on my jeep and it sags. I found a skyjacker 3" full packs, locally and used. Would it be worth the $80-100 for the skyjacker leafs or should I keep saving for some rusty.s?
I have some kind of AAL 3" kit on my jeep and it sags. I found a skyjacker 3" full packs, locally and used. Would it be worth the $80-100 for the skyjacker leafs or should I keep saving for some rusty.s?