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Old 11-27-2015, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ljobbins
Sorry I don't know too much about leaf springs. I am looking for under 3" of lift for leaf springs. I have been reading a lot on bastard packs but they all use the whole s10 pack under the xj main spring and it gets around 3" for most, even higher for some. Is it possible to mix and match xj and s10 leafs to get a slightly lower lift or is that not advised?
I just put bastard packs in mine. All the S10 springs minus the overload underneath my main spring netted me about 3.5 inches over stock height. If you're looking for something around 2 inches then you can try just the S10 main under your main spring and then reuse the rest of your XJ leaf pack. Don't forget to buy new u-bolts, and whenever working with suspension parts, torque everything after the rig is back on the ground and settled in its natural position.
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Originally Posted by ThatDude114
Well its a DD so I value road manners. I live in Idaho so I do a lot of dirt trails and them occasionally we take a trip to an ORV park where we do the rock garden, I also go snow wheeling during the winter. Honestly to this point I've never been in anything where I've felt the need to air down, that being said I'm also fairly new to wheeling so I probably don't know where it would be advantageous to air down in the first place. As always I appreciate the guidance man
I think that's the most useful response I've ever received to that question.

The narrower tire will give you better traction on ice because you get more weight per square inch of your contact patch. Outside of that, I prefer a wider tire, but I suspect 10.5 vs 12.5 won't really matter for you if you're able to run your trails without airing down.

I'd wait for a couple more replies here, or do a search to learn the detailed pros and cons of 10.5 vs 12.5 wide tires.
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Originally Posted by NewKindOfClown
I think that's the most useful response I've ever received to that question.

The narrower tire will give you better traction on ice because you get more weight per square inch of your contact patch. Outside of that, I prefer a wider tire, but I suspect 10.5 vs 12.5 won't really matter for you if you're able to run your trails without airing down.

I'd wait for a couple more replies here, or do a search to learn the detailed pros and cons of 10.5 vs 12.5 wide tires.
Depending how the dirt is, soft and deep, a wider tire will help with that. As for rocks too but I always here different stories. W people like it narrow some wide for rocks. As you are 100% on the ice thing. I'm running 235/85/16 pizza cutters because of where I live. And more people will chime in that have a 12.5 wide tire that DD it
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Originally Posted by NewKindOfClown
I think that's the most useful response I've ever received to that question.

The narrower tire will give you better traction on ice because you get more weight per square inch of your contact patch. Outside of that, I prefer a wider tire, but I suspect 10.5 vs 12.5 won't really matter for you if you're able to run your trails without airing down.

I'd wait for a couple more replies here, or do a search to learn the detailed pros and cons of 10.5 vs 12.5 wide tires.
I'd vote for the 10.50.. A skinnier tire, as clown and glitch said, will have a higher friction contact patch and do better in the snow/ice. If you do a lot of mud then a fatter tire is preferred as it will help the vehicle "float" over the muck... Nows that time I wish Goodyear would see how often I rep their tire for them and pay me… The DuraTrac is the most aggressive AT tire I've seen that still has good road manners and good tread life. They do great in the snow, mud, rocks or anything else.. They only offer the 10.50 width on a 31 so its a little limited, but still a great tire..
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Originally Posted by Outlaw Star
300Hp?, someone got screwed. The 4G63T makes 270Hp stock. I should know as I had one in my 92 Talon TSi.
Damn! Didn't realize their output was that high. Pretty impressive. 2.0L? how about boost pressure?
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Nows that time I wish Goodyear would see how often I rep their tire for them and pay me… The DuraTrac is the most aggressive AT tire I've seen that still has good road manners and good tread life. They do great in the snow, mud, rocks or anything else.. They only offer the 10.50 width on a 31 so its a little limited, but still a great tire..
I loved my Duratracs in the snow, and I recommend them often for winter climates. But they'll never match a mud terrain in the slop, and I can't recommend them for rocks with a clear conscience. They have the same paper-thin sidewall as a BFG AT/KO, and one wrong move on a rock will slice right through the side of the tire.

My personal favorite tire that I've used is the Firestone Destination MT
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Originally Posted by NewKindOfClown
I loved my Duratracs in the snow, and I recommend them often for winter climates. But they'll never match a mud terrain in the slop, and I can't recommend them for rocks with a clear conscience. They have the same paper-thin sidewall as a BFG AT/KO, and one wrong move on a rock will slice right through the side of the tire.

My personal favorite tire that I've used is the Firestone Destination MT
Hard to disagree, so I won't.. Theres definitely a limit to the mud capabilities. Thick or deep stuff just wont clean out enough to keep them effective enough. And the 2 ply sidewall is the biggest downfall (some have a 3 ply design) by far.. They put 10 of em on the tread, why not like 3 more on the sidewalls?!?!?! That said, I've cut up the walls of mine pretty hard on a culvert. Like holy **** its still holding?? Wow!! kinda deep. Both F/R tires on the drivers side got cut, but I never had any issues.. Could be I just got lucky, but it was good to see they held up..
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Originally Posted by NewKindOfClown
I loved my Duratracs in the snow, and I recommend them often for winter climates. But they'll never match a mud terrain in the slop, and I can't recommend them for rocks with a clear conscience. They have the same paper-thin sidewall as a BFG AT/KO, and one wrong move on a rock will slice right through the side of the tire.

My personal favorite tire that I've used is the Firestone Destination MT
I second the FD MT. I ran the Destination AT and that by far was a kick *** tire. Gripped in everything it needed to. Gashed the sidewalls and still was able to drive them until I upgraded. If I didn't do so much driving in rain and sleet through the year, I would do the MT in a heartbeat
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The problem I see with the Firestone Destination MT is that unless you sipe them, they must be pretty limited in snow/ice..
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Originally Posted by VTJeep
The problem I see with the Firestone Destination MT is that unless you sipe them, they must be pretty limited in snow/ice..
I loved mine. Never was an issue for me on the Comanche, but everyone has their preference
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Originally Posted by VTJeep
The problem I see with the Firestone Destination MT is that unless you sipe them, they must be pretty limited in snow/ice..
I've talked to a few people in the NE and they liked them in the snow. But yea, the sipping does leave a slight disadvantage for sure
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I've talked to a few people in the NE and they liked them in the snow. But yea, the sipping does leave a slight disadvantage for sure
Man, the lack of sipes puts me off them immediately! At least as far as snow/ice is concerned.. Otherwise they look legit.. Id love the opportunity to do a side by side of these vs the Dura's vs KO2's..








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Originally Posted by VTJeep
They put 10 of em on the tread, why not like 3 more on the sidewalls?!?!?!
Easy. The Duratrac is not an "offroaders tire" like Swampers or General Grabbers. Duratrac is on a ****LOAD of passenger and commercial trucks and vans. 10-ply sidewall means bye bye fuel economy for no gain to their primary market.
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Easy. The Duratrac is not an "offroaders tire" like Swampers or General Grabbers. Duratrac is on a ****LOAD of passenger and commercial trucks and vans. 10-ply sidewall means bye bye fuel economy for no gain to their primary market.
Exactly. I see DTs on almost every local, state, and federal government truck around here because they're good in snow and dirt. That's a massive market that is more than happy to throw money at a product that seems to work well. Add sidewall belts, which they don't need, and you're adding weight and cost.
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Originally Posted by NewKindOfClown
Exactly. I see DTs on almost every local, state, and federal government truck around here because they're good in snow and dirt. That's a massive market that is more than happy to throw money at a product that seems to work well. Add sidewall belts, which they don't need, and you're adding weight and cost.
Yup, FDNY has them on al their ambulances and surburbans


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