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Originally Posted by readytomount
It can help center the axle in the fender well. Two major benefits of front LCA's is that it will provide proper caster after the lift. Makes a huge difference in handling. Also when off-road the front end is under a lot of stress. The upgraded arms are much stronger and usually flex better.
It also gives you new bushings. If yours are original, they're probably at or near the end of their lifetimes. You could replace just the bushings, but you get the other advantages with aftermarket LCAs
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Originally Posted by NewKindOfClown
It also gives you new bushings. If yours are original, they're probably at or near the end of their lifetimes. You could replace just the bushings, but you get the other advantages with aftermarket LCAs
Agreed.
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Originally Posted by uptownbill
i'm wondering what the reason is for doing LCAs at all with a 3 inch l
Longer arms are also for proper alignment. Factory shims may not extend stock control arms far enough for proper caster. Without proper caster jeep will wander or drift.
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Originally Posted by SteveMongr
There is no such thing as a 'good' short arm lift of 6+ inches. Will need long arms. That much lift will likely make jeep unstable on highway and will drastically change the center of gravity. Best to keep lift under 4.5". Do not need a big lift to fit 33" tires.
Also going to need an upgraded steering system and re-gearing of axles.
Here are two companies to get you started. Will need more money too.
http://www.full-traction.com/detail....=4&t=1&p=839#n
https://www.claytonoffroad.com/xj_lo...01_cherokee_xj
Very cool. Thank you for the help. The link for the clayton offroad site says 4.5-8" lifts. how can a lift have a range?
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Originally Posted by Beatngyou27
Very cool. Thank you for the help. The link for the clayton offroad site says 4.5-8" lifts. how can a lift have a range?
Just below the picture is a selection box to choose your desired height
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Originally Posted by Fred/N0AZZ
If $2500-3,000 is your total for going to a 6 1/2" lift you better wait a lot longer. You will have more money than that in all the other items needed not including the lift, it's the cheapest part. You will have more than that invested in tires/wheels/gears/lockers.
Its not my budget for completion. I have a "friend" that wants to buy it for me. I dont mind sitting on parts til im ready for my build. Im running 31's on it right now at stock hieght. It rubs on sharp turns and im obviously not taking it off road yet. The only reason im running these tires is my lifted pathfinder got wrecked and my jeep needed tires.

Im just gathering info right now for a rock crawler build and also a daily driver. I live in AZ and want it to be an all around jeep if such a beast exist.

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Question on bar pin eliminators. I'd like to install both a front and rear BPE... Is that going to shorten the shock length too much where I have a risk of over-compression of the shock? Would be using the shocks that come with the Zone 3" lift.

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http://www.rustysoffroad.com/jeep-su...ors-front.html

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http://www.rustysoffroad.com/jeep-su...tors-rear.html
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Originally Posted by uptownbill
Question on bar pin eliminators. I'd like to install both a front and rear BPE... Is that going to shorten the shock length too much where I have a risk of over-compression of the shock? Would be using the shocks that come with the Zone 3" lift.

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http://www.rustysoffroad.com/jeep-su...ors-front.html

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http://www.rustysoffroad.com/jeep-su...tors-rear.html
Only way to know that is to measure. Flex your Jeep out as far as you can and see how much travel the shock has left on the compression stroke.

Honestly though, I wouldn't go with those as BPEs simply because it rotates the shock 90* and puts the shock eye perpendicular to its rotating axis. So instead of the shock rotating on its bushin eye, it's flexing on the bushing itself... thus wearing it out faster and putting strain on the shock eye and where the shock attaches to.

Go with something like Zone or Synergy instead... OR if you can afford it, go with the JKS or Currie which will keep the bushing compressed for longer bushing life.

https://www.northridge4x4.com/scp/su...ators-adapters


ETA: you can also home-brew your own BPEs by using the old rear-sway bar axle side bracket, cutting the middles out and rotating them, then welding them in place....

https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f67/ne...3/#post3132564

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Originally Posted by Basslicks
Only way to know that is to measure. Flex your Jeep out as far as you can and see how much travel the shock has left on the compression stroke.

Honestly though, I wouldn't go with those as BPEs simply because it rotates the shock 90* and puts the shock eye perpendicular to its rotating axis. So instead of the shock rotating on its bushin eye, it's flexing on the bushing itself... thus wearing it out faster and putting strain on the shock eye and where the shock attaches to.

Go with something like Zone or Synergy instead... OR if you can afford it, go with the JKS or Currie which will keep the bushing compressed for longer bushing life.

https://www.northridge4x4.com/scp/su...ators-adapters


ETA: you can also home-brew your own BPEs by using the old rear-sway bar axle side bracket, cutting the middles out and rotating them, then welding them in place....

https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f67/ne...3/#post3132564
Thanks man, that makes great sense. I think i'll go for the JKS ones (https://www.northridge4x4.com/part/b...kit-rear-upper)

2 questions though, why does it come with so many bolts? and secondly, wtf are those little thin pins for?

Thanks again dude
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Originally Posted by uptownbill
Thanks man, that makes great sense. I think i'll go for the JKS ones (https://www.northridge4x4.com/part/b...kit-rear-upper)

2 questions though, why does it come with so many bolts? and secondly, wtf are those little thin pins for?

Thanks again dude
That's a really good question man.... I've never personally used them myself. The PDF installation instructions don't even say anything about it

http://4x4media.info/instructions/jks/JKS9603.pdf

Might just have to contact JKS and ask them since they're gonna be all mysterious about it lol
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Originally Posted by Beatngyou27
Its not my budget for completion. I have a "friend" that wants to buy it for me. I dont mind sitting on parts til im ready for my build. Im running 31's on it right now at stock hieght. It rubs on sharp turns and im obviously not taking it off road yet. The only reason im running these tires is my lifted pathfinder got wrecked and my jeep needed tires.

Im just gathering info right now for a rock crawler build and also a daily driver. I live in AZ and want it to be an all around jeep if such a beast exist.

Then I would study all the things that you want to do to your XJ here research pays off in the long run along with asking questions like your doing. The search feature works well for you if you use it and the people here have a 1,000 yrs total experience to help you along, they did for me.
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Originally Posted by Basslicks
That's a really good question man.... I've never personally used them myself. The PDF installation instructions don't even say anything about it

http://4x4media.info/instructions/jks/JKS9603.pdf

Might just have to contact JKS and ask them since they're gonna be all mysterious about it lol
OK will do, thanks again.

This is weird, took a pic of my front lower shock mounts yesterday. This kinda looks like a bar pin but also kinda doesn't? wtf? ( i couldn't be bothered to take the wheel off)

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Originally Posted by uptownbill
OK will do, thanks again.

This is weird, took a pic of my front lower shock mounts yesterday. This kinda looks like a bar pin but also kinda doesn't? wtf? ( i couldn't be bothered to take the wheel off)

Yes the front lowers have them as well
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Yes the front lowers have them as well
yeah knew that, just meant that these bar pins seem to go all the way around and form a circle rather than an open fork on either end.

either way will be installing BPEs up here too
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Thinking about getting some Metalcloak 3.5" coils for my xj, does anybody know the spring rate of these coils? For those of you running them, how much lift did you actually get out of them?


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