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Old 05-16-2011 | 10:34 AM
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Hey all - So im reading a some very conflicting things on the subject. I recently did a 4.5 RC lift with an adjustable track bar. I replaced all the steering assembly components when I did the lift. Although the lift has not fully settled I have had it aligned. I still have some fairly bad bump steer issues that are really driving me nutz! I've read and I've been told that I need a dpa. But im also reading if I do that Ill need a drop track bar bracket as well. AND im also reading that I wont need any of this if I have an adjustable track bar, and its all about that adjustment.

So im just looking for some clarification on the subject. I know that the steering can and should be better than Im experiencing now, but after searching for threads on the subject, im not sure what direction to turn?

Any thoughts or advise would be greatly appreciated!!

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Old 05-16-2011 | 10:39 AM
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Drop Pit Arm will help, also could do a OTK or flip kit, to solve the bump steer. Could also be incorrect Caster setting. DO NOT add a DROP bracket to the trackbar, this increases the potential for DEATH WOBBLE.
Old 05-16-2011 | 10:43 AM
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Drop Pit Arm will help, also could do a OTK or flip kit, to solve the bump steer. Could also be incorrect Caster setting. DO NOT add a DROP bracket to the trackbar, this increases the potential for DEATH WOBBLE.
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If you drop the trackbar bracket, you would have to drop your pitman arm even further, to keep your steering angles correct. I have 4" of lift, and i found a v8 pitman arm helped tons with my bumpsteer. It provides 1" of drop.
Old 05-16-2011 | 04:31 PM
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I'm running a 1" drop pitman and a double shear track bar (is about a 3/4" drop). The idea is very simple. Make sure the travel path of the axle, in relation to the track bar pivot, is parallel to the drag length. The problem is that if they are not, the drag link will move as the spindle does, causing bump steer. keep their pivot points similar and you'll never have to worry about it. don't forget "bump steer" will never entirely go away. This is a solid axle vehicle and since the ground path of the tire will always change, as it hits a bump, the leaning of the tire will also cause a change in direction.

^ the note about Caster is also a good one. Get that as close as possible back to stock; as long as you don't incur vibes from the front shaft U-joints.



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DO NOT add a DROP bracket to the trackbar, this increases the potential for DEATH WOBBLE.
I don't agree with this statement.
Old 05-16-2011 | 04:45 PM
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You only need a DPA if you installed a trac-bar drop bracket. Doing one with out the other will put the steering geometry in different planes and that's not good and causes bump steer. Something else is more than likely causing your steering woes.
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You only need a DPA if you installed a trac-bar drop bracket. Doing one with out the other will put the steering geometry in different planes and that's not good and causes bump steer. Something else is more than likely causing your steering woes.
x2. check out that caster because that is most likely the problem.
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Pictures of the front end please.
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Originally Posted by FrankZ
Pictures of the front end please.
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Thanks Guys for the dialogue.... Unfortunately this is exactly what I've been running into on the subject. Some are saying one thing, while others are saying another....

Over the weekend I got my new tires put on and noticed that I may be a little toe out on the drivers side. With that said, I know things need to break in, (only about 300 miles on everything now) but don't want to go too long and start un even tread ware and or premature ware on the new steering assembly. So... any suggestions on when I should get it back on an alignment rack? Ill try to post some pic's tonight of how everything is looking currently.

Again thanks for chiming in
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Originally Posted by FrankZ
Pictures of the front end please.
here are some pics, the best i could get, of the front end.
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Looks like the trackbar and drag link are parallel.
You don't need a drop Pitman Arm.
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Originally Posted by FrankZ
Looks like the trackbar and drag link are parallel.
You don't need a drop Pitman Arm.
Shouldn't the tie rod be parallel to The axle? Sense its angled up couldn't that cause a little bump steer? Full cross over would fix that.
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bump steer is when the track bar and drag link are not parallel...

frankz is 100% right

it is not optimal steering but it all looks good to me as well.

get an alignment and see what you get then.... caster plays a BIG role
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Thanks FrankZ, 96_XJ!

What do you all suggest I do to help calm the bump? Re-alignment?
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take it back to the shop (you should have a warranty on it) and have them re align it and give you the print out and see what number you come up with.



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